--- title: SMS ENVIRONMENTAL GO TRANS-ATLANTIC FOR INDUSTRY PODCAST description: In this episode of the Scaling Up! podcast, host Trace Blackmore talks with SMS Environmental Director John Sandford, an expert on Legionella management. Listen in as they discuss the importance of Legionella prevention and control in water systems, and learn valuable insights from across the pond. image: https://sms-environmental.co.uk/hubfs/Screenshot%202024-07-11%20at%2014.10.49.png --- ![SMS ENVIRONMENTAL GO TRANS-ATLANTIC FOR INDUSTRY PODCAST](https://sms-environmental.co.uk/hubfs/Screenshot%202024-07-11%20at%2014.10.49.png) # SMS ENVIRONMENTAL GO TRANS-ATLANTIC FOR INDUSTRY PODCAST - Home - [SMS NEWS AND EVENTS](https://sms-environmental.co.uk/news-events) - SMS ENVIRONMENTAL GO TRANS-ATLANTIC FOR INDUSTRY PODCAST [ MEDIA TEAM ](https://sms-environmental.co.uk/news-events/author/media-team) 07/16/2021 [ Scaling Up](https://sms-environmental.co.uk/news-events/tag/scaling-up), [ H2O Podcast](https://sms-environmental.co.uk/news-events/tag/h2o-podcast) # **SMS ENVIRONMENTAL DIRECTOR JOHN SANDFORD SITS DOWN WITH PODCAST HOST TRACE BLACKMORE FOR EPISODE 203 OF THE SCALING UP! ‘THE ONE WITH OUR ACROSS THE POND LEGIONELLA EXPERT’** [**![Screenshot 2024-07-11 at 14.10.49](https://sms-environmental.co.uk/hs-fs/hubfs/Screenshot%202024-07-11%20at%2014.10.49.png?width=1716&height=1006&name=Screenshot%202024-07-11%20at%2014.10.49.png)**](https://youtu.be/gle3Ngk3ZiQ) [Listen to the episode in full or subscribe to the podcast](https://scalinguph2o.com/203) SMS Environmental recently went transatlantic when Director [John Sandford CMIOSH](http://www.oshcr.org/member/john-sandford/) sat down with [Trace Blackmore, CWT, LEED AP](https://www.blackmore-enterprises.com/about/trace-blackmore-leed-ap-om-cwt/) who is one of the water treatment industry's leading experts and also the host of "Scaling Up!" to discuss water regulations outside of the USA. The podcast is the 203rd episode of the series and digs deep into a number of topics including how Legionella control is controlled in the UK, vs in the USA and how the mismanagement of buildings can lead to disinfections being ineffective, regardless of how well they are carried out.    [Listen to the episode in full or subscribe to the podcast](https://scalinguph2o.com/203) [Trace Blackmore, CWT, LEED AP](https://www.blackmore-enterprises.com/about/trace-blackmore-leed-ap-om-cwt/), is one of the water treatment industry’s leading experts and the host of “[Scaling Up!](https://scalinguph2o.com/203),” a podcast for water treatment experts and novices alike that is quickly becoming the go-to resource in the industry. It’s the podcast for water treaters, by water treaters. The goal of each*“Scaling Up!”*podcast is simple: Encourage water treaters to treat the industry with the respect it deserves. *“I want to motivate water treaters to reach out to get better and push themselves to always be learning,”* says Trace, who credits his father with instilling in him the desire to learn the ins and outs of the water treatment business. *“If I can get you to think about that one thing that makes a difference, I have done my job.” [Trace Blackmore, CWT, LEED AP](https://www.blackmore-enterprises.com/about/trace-blackmore-leed-ap-om-cwt/) * John set up SMS Environmental back in 2001, with the company celebrating its 20th Anniversary just last month. John has over 30 years of practical research experience in water treatment and Legionella control. He is also a member of the Water Management Society (WMSoc) Council and has recently become a member of the AWT in America, which has been an exciting, albeit natural next step. SMS Environmental are thrilled to be involved in the latest episode of “Scaling Up!” and we’re very excited for you to listen to what John had to say and his opinions on the topics discussed during the session (those who know John personally will know that he’s never short of an opinion) so it should be a good listen! Visit the SCALING UP! 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